HubPage Success - 5 Lessons from Failure

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By 2patricias

Everybody wants HubPage Success

Hubpage success is not only about making money from Hubpages. Hubpage success means different things to different people.

Most people who take the time to write want their work to be read, so a large number of viewers is a major measure of Hubpage success. Many people are hoping to make money by writing for Hubpages, so continuing income from Google Adsense or eBay or Amazon are also relevant measures of Hubpage success.

If you are looking for advice on how to achieve Hubpage success you will be able to find plenty of hubs that tell you how to learn through the success of other Hubbers.

We have learned a lot from reading Hubs written by successful Hubbers. Early on we read a great Hub by Lissie about the importance of back links (among other tips). Take a look at her hub "Rank Your Hub in the Search Engines". Mark Knowles has published many helpful hubs: we suggest you begin by reading his "How I got my hub to be on Google’s first page." Lady E has been very generous with advice. Those of you just starting on Hubpages are advised to read her hub "Newbies – Kick Start to Success on Hubpages".

All the Hubbers mentioned here achieve consistently high Hub Scores. Our experience is that Hub Scores change from day to day and involve an unfathomable formula, but they are a reasonable indication of Hubpage success.


Pat's Garden

The garden in autumn.  (Photo by Pat 2009)
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The garden in autumn. (Photo by Pat 2009)
The garden in winter. (Photo by Pat 2010)
The garden in winter. (Photo by Pat 2010)

Learning from Failure

There are not nearly as many hubs about learning from failure. Perhaps this is because most prolific writers are successful. It could be that failure is perceived as a shameful outcome and best forgotten.

Both of us were taught to value success.  We can remember being taught mottos such as "Good, better, best; Never let them rest 'til good is better and better is best and best is best of all."

Experience has taught us that there is seldom a straight line to perfection. 

We are quite open about using the "F word" (failure). Some of our Hubs have been viewed so few times and earned such pathetic sums that the only honest word to use is "failure". This is not an encouraging outcome but we do not believe that writing and publishing those hubs was a complete waste of time because we have tried to learn from failure.

5 Lessons from Failure

In late autumn 2009 we wrote a hub about gardening. The hub was based on Pat’s garden and included photographs. The hub was quick and easy to write and immediately after publication our hubscore went up.

We decided to publish a monthly series of gardening hubs. They never achieved high viewer numbers and did not generate income.

We have tried to work out what we can learn from the failure of these hubs, and think that there are 5 lessons from failure.

  1. If a hub is quick and easy to write there should be an alarm bell ringing in your brain.

Okay, it could be that you know the topic so well that the words are almost flowing from your fingertips straight onto the computer screen. You are so well-versed that you can produce fascinating examples and immediately produce a dazzlingly wonderful illustration or two.

Perhaps most of us can produce a few hubs like that, but few of us can keep it up for a variety of subject.

Most of our better and more successful hubs have taken longer to produce because we have started the process by giving thought to the content, finding more depth (which can require research) and adding something extra to try to capture the viewers’ attention.

2.The title sells your Hub.

When you go for a job interview or networking event you probably bear in mind that old adage "first impressions count". Research studies have shown that it is true that people judge you by your appearance.

Department stores employ professionals to design their window displays. They know that they have to lure in their customers.

When you write a hub, the title is the equivalent of your job interview outfit or your shop window display. The title is your chance to grab attention and get people to read your hub.

Working on search engine optimisation will help you to gain a higher rank with search engines. There are some very good hubs on SEO.

Our garden series titles were just plain dull so it is little wonder we failed to attract viewers.

3.Seasonal Hubs are usually too short term

Our garden hubs were linked to calendar months and as soon as the month in question had passed the hub was about as interesting as yesterday’s newspaper.

That said a seasonal hub can be successful if it is good and has a wide appeal. We published a hub called Christmas Planning in 2008 and revised it in 2009 in time for the pre-Christmas season. The hub received more views in 2009 than it did in 2008. We will revamp it again in 2010 and add some new back links to increase its visibility.

We have learned that it is usually best to give hubs an all-season topicality. For example in 2010 we published a hub on chocolate shortly before Valentine’s Day. We knew from research that Valentine’s Day is one of the highest peaks for chocolate sales in the year, so we thought that we would get some well paid Google ads by publishing at that time. However, we wanted to continue to get views (and hopefully income) so we called that hub "Chocolate for All Occasions – a Buyers’ Guide".

4.Accept defeat and move on.

When we realised that the garden hubs were not succeeding we sought help on the Hubbers’ Forums. One kind hubber suggested that we rename them.

We tried to pick out keywords and to find titles with a wider appeal.

This took up our time and did not result in better performance. Our time would have been better spent on writing some new and better hubs.

5. Performance Review can be applied to Hubs.

Most people who have worked in corporate organisations, large companies, educational or other professional environments will have experienced some form of performance review.

When both of us had so-called "normal" jobs we were subjected to observation, form filling, testing, one-to-one sessions with our managers, external consultants (and so on). The object of these exercises was to make us better at our jobs, although at the time it sometimes felt like ritual humiliation.

When you are writing hubs you are working for yourself. Maybe you sole object is to achieve satisfaction from writing, but even then you will want to constantly improve the quality of your work.

Self-analysis is not easy. Robert Burns was so right when he asked for the gift "to see ourselves as others see us". However, self-analysis is as least private, unlike some of the work based assessments we have been through.

Failure can be a powerful tool to help a writer to become successful. The hard part is recognising and accepting that you have not achieved your goals and then actively making changes. Ignoring failure is wasting an opportunity to achieve success.

Our Garden Hubs - Read them and weep

 Here are some examples of how NOT to write Hubs:

Coastal Gardening in November.  This was originally titled "Gardening in November".  We changed the title because we thought it might make it more appealing.  The new title was no better than the original.

It was a mistake to include a month in the title, and in any case the hub is too short.

Garden Fence Panels and Useful Plants for Coastal Gardening.  This was originally titled "Garden Diary December".    We repeated the mistake of including the month in the title.   Later we changed the title because we though that garden fence panels was a very specific term that might gain views through search engines.  It didn't work, which is not surprising.  How many people want to read about garden fence panels?  What were we thinking?

Late Winter and Early Spring in the Coastal Garden.  This hub resolutely stays at the bottom of the table for View Numbers.  As we say in England, this hub wins the Wooden Spoon.

We should have abandoned the series after a few months, but carried on with the mistaken view that persistence would triumph.  The painful lesson is that you need to keep an eye on results and make changes to achieve success.

Good luck to all our fellow Hubbers, and we hope that you can profit from reading about our lessons from failure.

Comments

Dolores Monet profile image

Dolores Monet Level 7 Commenter 2 years ago

Ha! I love the phrase 'winning the wooden spoon.' That's great. I really like how you present your failures as a lesson. Looking at what we are doing wrong is one way to learn how to do it right!

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2patricias Hub Author 2 years ago

Hi Dolores,

You win the gold star for posting the first comment - thanks.

It's nice to hear from a good hubber (you) that it helps to look at what we are doing wrong.

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pisean282311 2 years ago

wonderful hub...u r write man..learn from failure...

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2patricias Hub Author 2 years ago

Hello Pisean, Delighted to read that you liked the Hub. Thank you for taking time to leave a comment.

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Cathi Sutton 2 years ago

Thanks for the helpful advise!

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robie2 Level 6 Commenter 2 years ago

A wonderful, honest evaluation and I couldn't agree more that in hubbing as in life, we learn more from ten minutes of falure than from ten years of success. Failure is the catalyst and success comes from learning its lessons. Thanks so much Patricias for you good advice and lovely insights.

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Duchess OBlunt Level 4 Commenter 2 years ago

Great Hub ladies!

“Success is to be measured not so much by the position that one has reached in life as by the obstacles which he has overcome.” [Booker T. Washington]

“Failure is success if we learn from it” [Malcolm Forbes]

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samboiam 2 years ago

Wonderful job on this one. Failure is the stpping stone to success. Thanks for sharing this with your followers.

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Tammy Lochmann Level 2 Commenter 2 years ago

Great information... I need to go and revamp and delete some of mine when I get some time.

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Granny's House 2 years ago

Great hub as always. I look forward to many more.

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2patricias Hub Author 2 years ago

Hi Cathi, Pleased you found the advice helpful.

Hello Robie, Nice to see you. Great phrase "failure is the catalyst". Thanks for your comment.

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2patricias Hub Author 2 years ago

Hello Duchess (and a quick bow to your title), Great quotes! Very nice of you to leave a comment.

Hi SamB. Great mental image of both of us stumbling along some stepping stones (and getting wet along the way). Thanks for your comment.

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2patricias Hub Author 2 years ago

Hello Tammy, We doubt if any of your hubs should be deleted! Thanks for your lovely remarks.

Hi Granny's House, Pleased you liked this hub. We have never been very prolific writers, but do have a few ideas in the pipeline. Thanks for leaving a comment.

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Simply Redeemed 2 years ago

I am a beginner here..only discovered HubPages today..started out very excited...now feeling a bit overwhelmed...thank you for caring enough to post about failure..a topic most shy away from, especially if it is concerning themselves. Happy Hubbing All!!

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ethel smith Level 3 Commenter 2 years ago

Useful information. Newbies need to read hubs like this as it will save them time. Most of us learn the hard way. I have some hubs that never get read much. I might try changing the keywords but I agree that onwards and upwards is often a better line of thought.

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2patricias Hub Author 2 years ago

Greeting S.Redeemed and welcome to HubPages! Thank you for leaving a comment, you have obviously worked out that leaving comments is a good way to make friends. See you soon.

Hello Ethel, nice to see you again. We have changed the keywords and titles on some of your 'middling' hubs and seen the view numbers increase - but its never as good as writing a good hub in the first place. Thank you for taking time to write a comment.

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jayjay40 2 years ago

Thanks for sharing, I feel better that I'm not alone with my failures

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2patricias Hub Author 2 years ago

Hello JayJay (like the new photo!) We think that the 'failure spot' is actually quite crowded, but not everybody is willing to admit they have been there.

Thanks for leaving a comment.

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Cheeky Girl Level 4 Commenter 2 years ago

There are some salient tips here that we can learn from. Sadly I do not have a garden, since I am on the top of an apartment. Cheers!

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2patricias Hub Author 2 years ago

Hello C.Girl! Good to see you here. Pat's retirement plan is to move to an apartment that overlooks a beautiful public garden.

Thanks for your comment, see you soon.

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De Greek Level 2 Commenter 2 years ago

First, may I thank you for your kind words on my site?

Thank you :-)

I have looked at hubs with scores of 100 and some of them are good. However, others should not have been unhappy with a score half as much. I have also come across Hubbers with few or no comments on their work because their work is so boring no one can get through the stuff, yet they score as high as Hubbers with many enthusiastic comments about their work.

So, something is wrong. I write for my own pleasure and I am not registered for income from anyone. However, I DO want to be read and criticised, so one lives in hope :-))

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2patricias Hub Author 2 years ago

We have never understood Hub scores. Our Hub 'Sleep Train to Scotland' goes up and down; it has reached 100 at least once, but is sometimes as low as 80.

Like you, we are really much more gratified when somebody takes the time to comment, so thank you very much.

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Elena. Level 1 Commenter 2 years ago

Pats, you've got some real jewels in here, such as "Ignoring failure is wasting an opportunity to achieve success." Very well put.

I think your opener to this hub is fundamental to go about self analyzing one's work here: "Hubpage success means different things to different people." The key is, I believe, having a clear idea of what the purpose was with X Y or Z hub. In my opinion, sometimes failure comes from not having such a clear picture in mind of what wants to achieve, i.e. income, views, praise, friendship, a space to vent?? I think, if the end goal isn't clear, then it's difficult to take corrective actions to achieve it.

"Self-analysis is not easy." indeed :-) I really enjoyed this article and your honest and open approach to your own work. Kudos!

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Lady_E Level 7 Commenter 2 years ago

Interesting and useful Read for me too - I like the effort you both put into writing Hubs. A lot of Background work.

Best Wishes. :)

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2patricias Hub Author 2 years ago

Hello Elena,

Thanks for expressing so clearly the importance of clarifying goals before starting a project. This applies to other projects, not just on the Internet!

We are so pleased that you enjoyed this hub. Positive comments motivate us to write more.

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2patricias Hub Author 2 years ago

Hi Lady E,

Our best hubs (in our opinion) are the ones that we have the most fun planning. Last night we had a night at the theatre and during the interval started chatting about the 1970s. So it is likely that we will be writing something with a nostalgia theme in the next few months.

Thanks for your comment.

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Linda Myshrall Level 1 Commenter 2 years ago

Hi Ladies, What a great article. This is one of the most helpful (non-technical) pieces I've read so far on increasing your hubpage success. Everything you have pointed out is true--at least in my case. Thanks for sharing your failures so that we can learn from them, or, in my case, feel better that I'm not the only one to have made those mistakes.

I am looking forward to your 1970's nostalgia article ;)

ps. I liked your gardening stuff!

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2patricias Hub Author 2 years ago

Hello Linda, Pleased to read that you found this helpful, or at least reassuring. It sometimes seems that everybody else on HubPages achieved instant success!

Also, thanks for saying you liked the gardening stuff.

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kea 2 years ago

Thanks for the information and tips! Cheers.

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2patricias Hub Author 2 years ago

Hello Kea, Many thanks for your comment. We always say the Good Guys leave comments.

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Dobson Level 1 Commenter 2 years ago

This is a humblingly honest offering. All of us havce this truth in our minds, but we feel like it invites failure into the equation if we admit it. I am curious why you did not include links to these other hubbers you refernce in the hub? Regardless I enjoyed your hub and think you guys are bound for great success here.

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2patricias Hub Author 2 years ago

Hello Dobson, Thanks for your comment. The reason the links are not included is that Pat typed and published this Hub while away from home and using somebody else's computer. Lack of familiarity made her even more slow than usual. Will try to add the links soon. Thanks for the reminder.

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Eileen Hughes Level 3 Commenter 2 years ago

You sure have hit the nail on the head with this hub. I think if we are honest we all have many failed hubs and as you have so aptly put it we need to learn from them.

After 3 years writing I am still learning, I write for fun and hope to earn money at the same time.

It still takes me 3 months to get a check but, that helps keep the wolves from the door and pays abit towards my internet connection.

Great hub. thanks for sharing this with everyone.

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2patricias Hub Author 2 years ago

Hello Eileen (love your profile pic!),

Pleased to hear from another person who admits that not all Hubs are a roaring success! We think you are probably doing better than average to receive a cheque every 3 months!

Thank your for taking time to leave a comment.

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Winsome Level 6 Commenter 2 years ago

Hey Pats, a switch on the old saying "The unexamined life is not worth living" might be: The unexamined hub is not worth writing. I think by the time we get the little buggers done, I for one would rather move on than tweak, but I see by your fine article that that would be a mistake. Thank you ladies for making hubs a better place to hang out.

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2patricias Hub Author 2 years ago

Hello Winsome,

Oh we certainly know that feeling of 'that's enough of that and on to the next thing'. At the time of writing all of our hubs we thought they were going to be successful, but after a few months it is definitely worth trying to analyse why they have done well or not so well.

Will look forward to reading more of your hubs.

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getitdone 2 years ago

Thanks for sharing your experience, both good and bad. It is definitely a bit of a learning process here, isn't it? I try not to go back and keep fiddling with hubs, just move on to the next one!

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2patricias Hub Author 2 years ago

Hello Getit, Sometimes a bit of retrospective fiddling can pay off - for example linking older and newer hubs can help boost view numbers.

You are right that it is a learning process, and we still have a long way to go.

Thanks for your comment.

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Amanda Severn Level 3 Commenter 2 years ago

Hi ladies, this is a very sensible and straight-forward musing on how to be a success on HubPages. I think you're absolutely right about the effort put into a hub and it's likely return in terms of Adsense. Certainly in my case, the more research and effort I put in, the more reward I get out. The only real exception to this has been my 'Bridges in Art' hub, which I spent long hours on, but has actually had minimal traffic outside of the HubPages community. Having said that, it can take a while for hubs to bubble to the surface, so I might get lucky at some point in the future.

As always, an enjoyable and thought-provoking read!

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2patricias Hub Author 2 years ago

Hi Amanda,

We've both read your Bridges in Art hub and can see that you must have put in hours of research. We have a hub called 'Family Dinghy Sailing' that Tricia wrote and the viewing humbers have had quite big peaks and troughs. We think it might be linked to items that people see on television, and then there is a surge in web searches.

On our own website we published a feature on 'Not Your Daughters Jeans' - the tummy tuck ones. The page lingered with hardly any views, and then that brand of jeans was mentioned on prime time television. Within an hour we had a record numbe of hits on our website! So you may well be lucky - it is so hard to predict these things.

Thanks for leaving a comment.

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2patricias Hub Author 2 years ago

Hi Amanda,

We've both read your Bridges in Art hub and can see that you must have put in hours of research. We have a hub called 'Family Dinghy Sailing' that Tricia wrote and the viewing humbers have had quite big peaks and troughs. We think it might be linked to items that people see on television, and then there is a surge in web searches.

On our own website we published a feature on 'Not Your Daughters Jeans' - the tummy tuck ones. The page lingered with hardly any views, and then that brand of jeans was mentioned on prime time television. Within an hour we had a record numbe of hits on our website! So you may well be lucky - it is so hard to predict these things.

Thanks for leaving a comment.

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prettydarkhorse Level 2 Commenter 2 years ago

2patricias, great tips advice and insights, thumbs up, maita

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2patricias Hub Author 2 years ago

Hey Maita! Thanks for taking time out from the 60 day challenge to comment on our hub - we're honoured.

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Jamiehousehusband 2 years ago

Hi yes well I think I made the very mistake with my first hub about eggs not being just for Easter - it would seem they are!! Your honesty is commendable and I have to say I somewhat agree with De Greek, as when I joined I started off reading the best hubs and could not understand why some scored so high - almost an insult to the genuinely good ones! I'm now using Google tools - Insight and Trends to avoid the seasonality pitfall, hopefully.

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2patricias Hub Author 2 years ago

Hello Jamie HH. Nice to meet you - I'll go over and look at your hubs in a minute.

We all have to learn from our mistakes if we are going to make progress. If anybody says they never made mistakes I don't believe them.

Have you tried looking at hubs via HubHopper? That should give you some ideas for what to do/not to do when writing a Hub.

Thanks for your comment.

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prettydarkhorse Level 2 Commenter 2 years ago

I came to read this again, very good points and accepting failure is good, Thank you for the wonderful insights Mam, Maita

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bingskee Level 2 Commenter 2 years ago

i love the idea that someone posts positive hubs for negative concepts like 'failure'. it is what i like about hubpages!

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2patricias Hub Author 2 years ago

Hi Pretty DH,

Nice to see you again! Failure can be a good teacher - if we let it.

Thank you for leaving a comment.

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2patricias Hub Author 2 years ago

Hello Bingskee,

One of the joys of Hubpages is that there are some very good Hubbers who are very open about how to achieve success. Of course, there are many definitions of success - some of us are happiest when our Hubs receive a high number of views and comments.

On that note - thank you for your comment.

nadp profile image

nadp 2 years ago

Interesting thoughts. I've tried renaming, adding tags, some rewriting...it has usually helped. But I'll keep your advice in mind. Thanks!

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2patricias Hub Author 2 years ago

Hello Nadp,

Thanks for your comment. We have read that some Hubbers (usually with high scores) go back to all their hubs on a regular basis to make tiny changes.

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CMHypno Level 6 Commenter 24 months ago

I think that we all have some Hubs tucked away in our repertoires that didn't do so well. Some I can see why (socks just ain't that fascinating!) but some I don't and never will understand why they don't get more traffic. But I think we do have to learn from our mistakes and strive to become better Hubbers over time.

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2patricias Hub Author 24 months ago

Hello CM,

The thing is, we thought the topics really were fascinating when we wrote the hub (lol). It's funny sometimes looking back.

Thanks for leaving a comment.

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wrenfrost56 24 months ago

Great advice and I have to agree, with all the points you made. Took me a while to figure it out! :) P.S. I very much enjoy reading lissie's work too.

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talfonso Level 1 Commenter 24 months ago

I'm glad that you learned from mistakes from the past and have passed on your advice to others. I agree with you on #3 - you have learned that the most successful Hubs are noted as evergreen content, which you pretty much defined it as "all-season topicality."

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2patricias Hub Author 24 months ago

Hi Wrenfrost, We're sure that there is still plenty for us to learn!

Hello Talfonso, We are so pleased that you can ratify our advice.

Thanks to both of you for taking time to leave comments - they make hubbing much more gratifying.

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mythbuster Level 3 Commenter 24 months ago

Hey 2patricias, this is a great hub with helpful hints and I particularly like your 5 points and how you've broken them down - easy to read, remember, apply. Since we all can't start out as SEO or article-writing geniuses but all of us have something to contribute to the HP community and beyond, it's important for us to learn from mistakes and not see "failure" as a negative... Heck, I have some serious "FAIL"hubs but these teach me, in the least, what NOT to write - at most - what others do not want to read! Great hub - you are "upped" and evaluated kindly by my visit. Awesome, useful - thanks for sharing!

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2patricias Hub Author 23 months ago

Hello Mythbuster,

We are so pleased that you liked this Hub! It always surprises us that some of the topics we think are really interesting have less than univeral appeal.

Thanks for much for 'upping' and leaving a comment.

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habee Level 7 Commenter 23 months ago

Excellent advice here! I'm learning as I go, also!

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2patricias Hub Author 23 months ago

I don't think we'll ever know it all, but we have met a few people who think they do!

Thanks for leaving a comment.

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Jane Bovary Level 1 Commenter 23 months ago

Hi Pats,

Well, Thomas Hardy said that if you want to learn how to succeed, ask a failure. Thanks for the tips...I was particularly impressed with "Chocolates for all occasions"...that was a brilliant idea.

Love your garden

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2patricias Hub Author 23 months ago

Hi Jane,

We are really pleased that you liked our hub (and the garden). Thanks for taking time to leave a comment.

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Doodlebird 23 months ago

Thanks for stopping by!

And thanks for sharing some of your "oops" hubs. I'm still trying to figure this all out. I love writing , but it would be nice if I could make a penny or two. I appreciate the tips here.

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billyaustindillon Level 2 Commenter 23 months ago

I am so impressed that you told it as is and not some fluffy easy trick like so many 'hubpage' guides. The honesty on the failed hubs is so refreshing and helpful. All the positive tips are excellent. I had to laugh too there are some hubs I thought- well SOMEONE HAS TO LIKE THEM - no oops wrong there! I do need to go back and change or delete those crappy ones don't I. I keep putting that off....

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2patricias Hub Author 23 months ago

Hello Doodlebird, The truth is, we are still figuring it out! We do make a bit of money, but nothing like the once a month payment that some hubbers claim (and some of them we really believe).

Hi Billy A D,

Nice to hear from you. The truth is that we are still a bit surprised that there are a few topics that we find interesting that nobody else seems to want to read. Oh well, life is a learning experience.

Thank you both for leaving comments!

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Peggy W Level 8 Commenter 23 months ago

I am still in the learning stages even though I have been writing for a year and a half. I should really study more and try to understand the advice freely given by so many hubbers. I think that with time we all continue to learn what works and what does not. I am spending some time in going back and reworking older hubs and am having some success. Thanks for your advice and everyone else that gives us tips on how to better succeed on hubpages.

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2patricias Hub Author 23 months ago

Hello Peggy,

Thank you for stopping by and leaving a comment.

We have been reworking some of our lower score hub, as Tricia particularly hates to waste work. It does seem to have improved view numbers.

Our advice is to keep trying.

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liswilliams Level 1 Commenter 22 months ago

excellent stuff here, 2 patricias, definitely bookmarked

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2patricias Hub Author 22 months ago

Wow Lis W - thanhks for the bookmark - and the comment.

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Sunny Robinson 19 months ago

Oh! I thought you guys were quite hard on yourselves about your own hubs. Sure, I can see how it may be a failure in bringing in more traffic, but I thoroughly enjoyed the writing skills and information employed in the garden hubs!

Then, I made myself re-read this hub again and realized the messages you were sending. I love the main one in particular: Learn from failure! Heck, make it a fun experience. Laugh about it. Use it as a measure of your next success or failure.

You guys rock.

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2patricias Hub Author 19 months ago

Hello Sunny R,

So pleased that you see that what we are really doing is trying to make difficult experiences enjoyable!

Thanks for the complimentary comment.

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bayoulady Level 1 Commenter 18 months ago

How refreshing for someone to take the time to tell us what NOT to do! Thanks! The Chocolate for All Occasions is a great title, because it has no seasonal applications in the title. I have linked my choclate hub to yours,with pleasure!Rate up!

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2patricias Hub Author 18 months ago

Hello Bayoulady (love the name),

So pleased that you enjoyed this hub, and even more please that you have added a link from your chocolate hub.

Thanks for taking the time to leave a comment.

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EllenDean 17 months ago

Thank you for the insight. I'm new in these parts and I appreciate the time you took to explain this. I'm slowly figuring stuff out on HubPages and hope to continue getting better at it. Not only for my own sake, but also for people who take the time to read my work. Thank you again for the inspiration!

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2patricias Hub Author 17 months ago

Hello Ellen D,

It's taken us ages to get to where we are - and we are still learning new stuff.

We love it when people leave comments, so thanks so much.

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ACSutliff 17 months ago

Great tips, you two! If only I could get my students to think about success and failure the way you do.

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Les Trois Chenes Level 4 Commenter 16 months ago

Judging from the number of comments, at least this Hub on failure was a great success! The irritating thing is that when you look at top-rating articles on the internet, there rarely seems to be anything really amazing about them. Many thanks for your offerings.

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2patricias Hub Author 16 months ago

Hello L.T.C.

In 2010 the top 2 articles on our own website were about 1. What to wear for a day at the Races and 2. an obscure brand of Japanese makeup.

We were pretty sure that we would get a lot of search engine hits for the 'what to wear' piece (and we were right). The Japanese makeup was a complete surprise - all part of the mystery of the Internet.

Thanks for reading and leaving a comment.

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Romano Arnesto Level 1 Commenter 12 months ago

I'll keep your advices and use it to thrive here on Hubpages. Thank you so much!!!

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2patricias Hub Author 12 months ago

Thank you very much Romano. We hope that you do thrive on Hubpages.

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OddDustin 11 months ago

Thanks for great hub. I've learned to stay out of the results and I try and get satisfaction from the process and the final product. If I like it then I could car less if someone else does. Hopefully that equals views and followers, but if not oh well, on to the next one.

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2patricias Hub Author 11 months ago

Hello OD,

Glad that you liked the Hub. Some of the Hubs we most enjoyed writing have done well- others not so well.

Thanks for leaving a comment.

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Rebecca E. 9 months ago

I agree one must have a preformace review, and I did just that, and, found I am going to be working hard at it again... I must improve my quality on my hubs....

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2patricias Hub Author 9 months ago

Hi Rebecca,

I always think of you as a successful hubber. That said, we have improved some of our older hubs by going over them and making changes.

In this hub I mentioned our gardening hub where we changed the title to include the words 'fence panels'. When we put together this hub the change of title did not appear to have made any improvement. However, over time this hub has received a respectable number of views via search engines - so sometimes the pay off can be slow in coming.

Thanks very much for leaving a comment, and good luck with your work.

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kerlynb Level 7 Commenter 9 months ago

"The painful lesson is that you need to keep an eye on results and make changes to achieve success" - So, it's not just about persistence. It's about pursuing what will actually succeed over time. Thanks for sharing this lesson.

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2patricias Hub Author 9 months ago

Hello Kerlyn B,

The problem with undiluted persistence is that you might keep making the same mistake!

Thanks for your comment.

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Kris Heeter Level 7 Commenter 5 months ago

Thanks for sharing these lessons. In a way they can be applied to many aspects in life. We all learn and grow from our mistakes and failures. It can be a hard pill to swallow something:)

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2patricias Hub Author 5 months ago

Hi Kris,

I think there may be more to learn from studying failure than from success. Sadly, we are often encouraged to only dwell on the positive.

Thanks for leaving a comment.

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Claudia Tello Level 6 Commenter 5 days ago

I´ve been writing in Hubpages for 15 months now and I don´t really have a recipe for success yet. Success is to me one of the most difficult things to understand in this world, as I have seen it where I would least expect it and, on the other hand, I have learned and worked and created some very good quality hubs (I´ve even won 3 times Hub of The Day) without having economic success nor large amount of views in my hubs…. Even so, I keep at it (and that is one of the things many people consider a key to success). I appreciate your advice and shared lessons :)

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2patricias Hub Author 5 days ago

Hello Claudia,

Congratulations on achieving Hub of the Day, not just once, but 3 times! It is interesting that your prominence has not led to economic success. It may be instructive to look at the hubs of those who claim to be making money.

Meanwhile, I think your advice to stick at it is sound.

Thanks for taking the time to leave a comment.

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moonlake Level 7 Commenter 5 days ago

My hubs are a success if they make it to the 70's. I know you seem to count yours as failures if their in the 70's. My one hub on gardening in Zone 3 makes it up to the 90's often it doesn't always stay there. It is loaded with pictures and when I put it up I thought it would go no where but it does. I have never won hub of the day or anything else on Hubpages but I keep trying. I also don't get a lots of views. I never take down a hub. I rewrite, I change the title or I add more content but I never take them down. My Haiku hubs are the worst so I guess that could mean I'm not a poet.

I enjoyed reading your hub and all your good information. Voted UP.

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2patricias Hub Author 5 days ago

Hello Moonlake,

Thanks for your interesting comment. We have found that hubs with many photos usually do well - in the long term. Your advice to keep hubs, and rewrite if necessary is also very good. Our hub with the term "fence panels" in the title seemed to have a low score for at least a year - now it is sometimes in our top 5 for a day.

Thanks for voting this up.

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